Talk:Meetings/2011-04-20

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Templates[edit]

We seem to be getting carried away with our templates. The statement about who can attend the meeting is duplicated in the lead and in the participants section. It seemed natural to me to want to remove it from the lead, but to do so would have meant tracing my way through templates that are used to build this page without knowing how a change to the template would affect other pages that are not of immediate interest to me. One of the biggest complaints about Wikipedia is the complexity of editing. Needing to work through a maze of templates before one can make any change to the text only serves to drive away the non-technical people among us who nevertheless have something to contribute. Eclecticology 16:30, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

Agree stating it once is sufficient. May be we can ask Benoit to fix this for us. While I agree the template are more complicated they do make our pages looks very professional. --Doc James 18:12, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

I didn't realise that it was repeated twice, I'll fix this! By the way, the only page who is using a heavy template is Meetings with Meetings, everywhere else it's simply tables and classes.

{| class="table"
| class="green" | 
Bonjour!
| class="blue" |
Hello!
| class="purple" |
Guten Tag!
|}

Bonjour!

Hello!

Guten Tag!

This is simple, it is the basis of all Wikis. Otherwise non-technical people can copy/paste tables from another page... because right now when non-technical people create pages without using tables, it multiplies the work of technical people! w:Help:Wikitable. Antaya 08:43, 8 April 2011 (EDT)

What you mention is very true, but I'm not likely to be too sympathetic to the technical people. :-) At some point wikis need to find a balance between content and the "professional look". Technical difficulties is one of the two clearly identified major problems driving potential editors away from Wikipedia. The help page that you link is fine, and is within the realm of reasonable expectations, but not much more than that. The little example table that you give already goes beyond what is contained on the help page. Nothing on that page clarifies the use of "class". Where is this defined so that it can easily be used by everybody?
Using class is called CSS. In few words, instead of declaring a table style (border, background, colors, etc.) directly in a page, we create a class where the table style is "stored" (in a wiki it's here), then call the class where we need it.
Classes are useful to simplify the code, make it clearer, and mostly, tables are similar from a page to another. If we want to change the background color of a table, we do it in CSS page, then all tables will change. Antaya 15:15, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
In that case would it not be an advantage if somewhere there were documentation that defines exactly what each of these classes does. Eclecticology 15:42, 8 April 2011 (EDT)